restless, and start to feel strange, just not being where they're used to being, in that dangerous environment. >> we don't know how to open up, or express our -- tell our story either. that's also part of the problem. and the other part, too, as well, is being accepted in society. you know, because there's a brotherhood in the services around the world. and we have a problem when we come out of the service, you know, to the civilian world where people will judge us and use -- if they find out about our trauma, in one way or another, will use that against us. there is no brotherhood that i would say in a civilian community. >> when you see people who have gone through, what my previous guest went through, a school shooting, a young man and all the trauma that's happened to him. what do you think of that? what advice would you give him? >> basically he has to take back his life. finding forgiveness, you know, it's more finding forgiveness for himself so he can find peace in his life. he has so much potential that he's able to basically be able to impact and change so many people's lives. >> ton